Darker

May 12 2018, 11:31 AM

Solid Snake

May 12 2018, 02:46 AM

How fast is The Flash (DCEU)? This could factor into my argument.

It's not really clear, to be honest.

iirc Bruce said his suit was made of a material that could withstand re-entry speed. Anywhere between Mach 10-25 if that's the case, but he looked faster at times.

Solid Snake

May 13 2018, 08:00 PM

Darker

May 12 2018, 11:31 AM

Solid Snake

May 12 2018, 02:46 AM

How fast is The Flash (DCEU)? This could factor into my argument.

It's not really clear, to be honest.

iirc Bruce said his suit was made of a material that could withstand re-entry speed. Anywhere between Mach 10-25 if that's the case, but he looked faster at times.

Barry needed to run at mach 3 in order to junp from one place to another. He succeeded. Later on in the same season, he enhanced his speed in which he became four times faster, which means mach 12. That was as fast as Zoom. He gave up his powers to Zoom which made Zoom at mach 23-25, and when Barry came back from the speed force, his speed equalled Zoom's meaning Barry was at mach 23-25. In the Season 3 of Legends of Tomorrow, he ran all around USA in seconds.

Of course he had help from Supergirl, who's almost as fast as season 2 Flash (Tachyon enhanced), then traveling all over the USA would require way more than a mere mach 25, and roughly 100 at least.

Steve- DCTV Supergirl is way stronger than DCEU Superman. CW shows may be annoying with the way they portray their superheroes, but I'll go with Supergirl for this.

She has Heat vision, but I dont recall hers being as potent, this I will admit.

Ice breath that will freeze Superman in place, besides he doesn't even use all of his Kryptonian abilities.

She is faster, she has reaction and travel speed on par with the Flash (Season 2).

Her striking feats may not be fancy, but we already know that she and the other CW Kryptonians are million tonners she is more durable.

Superman has no striking feat to say he would take her down.

Steve

May 13 2018, 09:49 PM

Solid Snake

May 13 2018, 08:00 PM

Darker

May 12 2018, 11:31 AM

Solid Snake

May 12 2018, 02:46 AM

How fast is The Flash (DCEU)? This could factor into my argument.

It's not really clear, to be honest.

iirc Bruce said his suit was made of a material that could withstand re-entry speed. Anywhere between Mach 10-25 if that's the case, but he looked faster at times.

Barry needed to run at mach 3 in order to junp from one place to another. He succeeded. Later on in the same season, he enhanced his speed in which he became four times faster, which means mach 12. That was as fast as Zoom. He gave up his powers to Zoom which made Zoom at mach 23-25, and when Barry came back from the speed force, his speed equalled Zoom's meaning Barry was at mach 23-25. In the Season 3 of Legends of Tomorrow, he ran all around USA in seconds.

Of course he had help from Supergirl, who's almost as fast as season 2 Flash (Tachyon enhanced), then traveling all over the USA would require way more than a mere mach 25, and roughly 100 at least.

Steve- DCTV Supergirl is way stronger than DCEU Superman. CW shows may be annoying with the way they portray their superheroes, but I'll go with Supergirl for this.

She has Heat vision, but I dont recall hers being as potent, this I will admit.

Ice breath that will freeze Superman in place, besides he doesn't even use all of his Kryptonian abilities.

She is faster, she has reaction and travel speed on par with the Flash (Season 2).

Her striking feats may not be fancy, but we already know that she and the other CW Kryptonians are million tonners she is more durable.

Superman has no striking feat to say he would take her down.

And where are her durability feats that prove she can take hits from DCEU Supes? Or that she can take some God beams from Wonder Woman?

CW characters are pretty stupid, she might technically have reaction speed but these characters get distracted super easily and then all their powers are useless, like Goku with the Standard Ray Gun.

DCEU Supes has far better agility than what I've seen from Supergirl, she's a pretty s*** fighter even if she's strong.

Nothing about this is as impressive as Supes making Steppenwolf a complete joke:


Does Supergirl ever do any decent doges like 3:35?:



Or blocking Doomsday's at the start:





There's very clear difference in combat speed between CW and DCEU, when fights are happening in CW unless it's an actual Speedster fight they look very pedestrian.
Unless Supergirl can do it in one hit, which she definitely can't, she wouldn't take Supes.

Solid Snake

May 14 2018, 02:38 AM

Supergirl is a s*** fighter yet all Superman (DCEU) does id straight brawling. He has no technique at all, and as for Supergirl vs Superman, they were pretty much equals so they had no advantager other than psyche and fighting ability being the deciding factor in their fight.

Superman's dodging is not a good indicator of his reflexes, dude can't perceive speeds on par with the Flash or Superman.

I'm not denying that she they're fighting speeds looks slow but on the flip side we see her catch bullets, dodge lasers and etc so we know she's not slow reaction wise at all.

lazerbem

May 14 2018, 01:37 PM

Supergirl is hella stronger, even if he’s faster, she’s just got to grab him once to pick him apart. Dragging the ship doesn’t compare. Dragging is far easier than lifting and the ship is far smaller anyway

Topographic Oceans

May 14 2018, 05:15 PM

I think there's a problem here with comparing superheroes from television shows with superheroes from theatrical blocksbusters. Even if CW Supergirl is technically stronger and more skilled than DCEU Superman, all of her fight scenes will look "pedestrian" in comparison to his because she's in a TV episode and he's in a big "cinematic universe" movie. There's also the old staple of live-action superhero TV: the villain of the week has to last for almost 40 minutes, so the hero will almost always fail during their first encounter.

CW Supergirl definitely SHOULD win in a fight against Movie Superman, but it doesn't really look like she could due to the limitations of the live-action television format.

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No, the guy they was fighting isn't able to perceive speeds on par with Superman and Flash. The clip you showed has Superman just a tad bit slower than the Flash, and the guy they fought couldn't react to Superman and therefore Flash, and he's at best mach 25.

You keep bringing up Superman's skill when he ain't showing off anything an individual with more power and speed can't do.

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Lifting strength =/= striking strength

Boy everyone loves that


I'm yet to see a solid punching feat from her that would hit him and kill him in one go.

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Again, he survived a nuke and one of his hits on Doomsday made a big shockwave there, where has Supergirl done that?

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Anyone who's not quite as strong but is more skilful can decimate them.

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Then just hug him until he submits or choke him. Heck, she could just hold his arms behind his back. I'd also add that it's not like Superman's got amazing punching feats either. Most of his strength showings come from his own lifting stuff.

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The nuke killed him, why on Earth are you bringing that up? He had to revive himself using direct sunlight. Not to mention nuclear explosions are weaker in space due to lack of air as a medium. Shockwaves are also one of those rule of cool things.

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You're saying Superman is skilled?

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She catches him and holds on to him how? He's faster which means the strength of his flight is greater than hers, so he can just fly around and smash her in to the ground or just punch her, even if she's stronger she can't take an infinite amount of hits from him, again, weak a** aliens from her show manage to hurt her and most of them are unimpressive as hell.

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Plus still ignoring the tectonic plates thing, if you want to call that throwaway then so is the million ton key thing because it's literally casually stated and she barely even reacts to it, like they threw the line in because they forgot she's meant to be strong.
And then she throws the key to the ground and it doesn't smash the place up. It's a lazy throwaway moment.

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Because it only took him a couple of minutes to come back and Supergirl has no comparable durability feat? Like at all?
How powerful the nuke was is impossible to quantify, however, unless you can prove Supergirl hits as hard as that nuke how does she kill Superman?

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Not necessarily skilled but he uses his powers much more effectively than Supergirl who's combat ability is really pathetic.

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There's also this fight, which I presume is one of her best.
Where she manages to damage her opponent with a crappy bit of rebar.
She also gets hurt by a car door being thrown at her.
And she just generally gets wrecked:

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Where the heck did you get mach 25 from exactly?

I keep bringing it up because he's showed off better feats than Supergirl to this end, her speed is very linear and mostly useful for flight, Kryptonian's in the DCEU use it for battle much more effectively.
Genuine skill is irrelevant versus the actual application of these abilities in this case, Supergirl's is poor.

You're not beating this Superman unless you can match his speed and kill him in one hit or have some funky powers to mess him up with.


Anyway even if you could argue Supergirl takes that particular fight, she can't take the team working together. Wonder Woman and Aquaman are a pretty good combo and if Superman couldn't win all three of them would destroy her.